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Caellach Marellus
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:21:00 -
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Multiple pilots claimed to want a peaceful resolution to this conflict, and when push came to shove most were firing guns into one of either fleets.
Granted the ships could not be jammed due to entering siege mode, but the option to neutralise and repair were both available, and few pilots took the opportunity to do so. My thanks to those who did, and risked their ships repairing despite CONCORD penalties.
With regret CONCORD took to the field itself too late, I had hoped more lives could be saved by this point. Regardless, whether it was terrible diplomacy from members of the Federal Fleet, or the fact the Republic Fleet had no right to be there in the first place. Today was a pointless exchange of bloodshed and casualty counts, a hit to an alliance that does not need further weakening, and a terrible way to honour a woman who spent her life striving for peace.
Great ******* job the lot of you.
Enjoy your gaming.
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Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:01:00 -
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Cipher7 wrote:Evi Polevhia wrote:Cipher7 wrote:
The Gallente will erroneously see this as "invasion."
Of course. It was just a Courier mission for Pator Tech School gone horribly awry. I wouldn't say it went awry. They accomplished their purpose.
They didn't get the shooter.
How did they accomplish their purpose?
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Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
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Posted - 2013.05.20 02:35:00 -
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Cipher7 wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:
They didn't get the shooter.
How did they accomplish their purpose?
They came to make a statement, and they made it.
That they don't give a damn about the way their allies conduct their business?
That they have no problems breaking CONCORD law, risking their alliance and murdering thousands of men and women and throwing sending twice as many to their deaths, because they won't get their way when others than themselves are in the right?
That they're incompetent and have no idea how to conduct capital warfare?
Which statement did they make?
Katarina Musana wrote:James Syagrius wrote:Proponents of Gallentean civilization must learn that generosity and benevolence often breeds resentment in the beneficiary.
The problem isn't the generosity and benevolence. The problem is the condescending, patronizing attitude that tends to build up among those being generous and benevolent.
Both sides are condescending and patronising to the other, neither side has the right to point fingers and make complaints there. Surely it'd be better if you both, instead of applying the sarcasm and downtalk to one another, promote a sense of understanding with some patience, hmm?
If you don't want to be treated like children, perhaps you should look to your own conduct when you don't get your way. You're right, you don't belong to them, but they're not obliged to agree to your every demand just because they're in the mentality to offer help and aid.
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Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:49:00 -
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Cipher7 wrote:
That ally is not a synonym for lapdog.
That we handle our business.
Indeed it isn't, you don't get to make demands and expect the Federation to go "ok" every time.
They handle their business too, their borders, their jurisdiction, their rules.
I believe there is a phrase, deal with it. There's no justification for you breaking CONCORD law in this respect.
None.
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Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:07:00 -
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Cipher7 wrote:Just saying it's their own govt's fault that it even escalated to this stage.
Perhaps when you stop trying to always be the victim and claim it's never your fault, you'll be worth further dialogue.
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Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
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Posted - 2013.05.22 03:17:00 -
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Katarina Musana wrote:Our displeasure with the Federation is the only thing we've stated as justified.
Jumping fleets into foreign space on two separate occasions is a statement of a bit more than displeasure, it's also not justified.
You don't get to make the law because someone else won't act in their house to your whims.
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Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
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Posted - 2013.05.23 19:11:00 -
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Katarina Musana wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:Katarina Musana wrote:Our displeasure with the Federation is the only thing we've stated as justified. Jumping fleets into foreign space on two separate occasions is a statement of a bit more than displeasure, it's also not justified. You don't get to make the law because someone else won't act in their house to your whims. Seems you need to go back to school and learn to read. I stated very clearly that I don't consider the fleet's incursion into Federation space to be justified, nor does anyone I know. In fact, if you look at the post I made which you quoted, you very clearly left out a very important part of the post. Katarina Musana wrote:I don't think any of us have called the incident justified. I know I won't be unless I hear some compelling explanation from the Tribal Council as to why it was necessary to send a suicide force into Colelie. Calling the incident justified and stating that our displeasure, even anger, with the Federation is justified are two entirely separate things.
I think you've missed my point too, I'll explain for you without even using petty insults.
When you jump a fleet into your allies territory and kill thousands of their citizens, you don't get to justify your displeasure, because when you pull a stunt like that you don't have a leg to stand on.
Not to mention the sheer hypocrisy of the cause of your original displeasure, for a civilisation that constantly snarls and claims people are infringing on it's ways and meddling in it's affairs, and decry their allies as attempting to control them, you sure damn well make demands that they did things your way in their land, and got pissy when they said no.
So no, your displeasure isn't justified, at all really. Midular was returned home at the earliest possible time she could be moved, that was a justified request. Demanding the Federation adhere to your law in their land does is not cause for justified displeasure when they denied your request. And that was before your fleet broke CONCORD law and murdered Federal citizens, at which point your displeasure can go throw itself out of an airlock.
See, if you had a leg to stand on in the first place because for example, it was a case of Roden being an egotistical prick, or he'd gone back to his alleged underhanded dealings, or possibly that slime Blaque had orchestrated the whole thing, and this had happened in the Republic and the gunman had fled to Federal space you'd actually be justified, in some cases for just about everything. But none of that happened, so you aren't.
And if that was all too long for you, I'll summarise. Your displeasure is irrelevant.
Enjoy your gaming.
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Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
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Posted - 2013.05.24 17:17:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:I don't know about you guys, but where I come from "It is ok to be angry; it is not ok to scream and hit" is stuff we teach two-year-olds. That some of you have not learned separate between emotion and action yet is... interesting.
You also teach a two year old that it's not ok to throw a tantrum when they don't get something their way.
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Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
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Posted - 2013.05.25 01:07:00 -
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Cipher7 wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:I don't know about you guys, but where I come from "It is ok to be angry; it is not ok to scream and hit" is stuff we teach two-year-olds. That some of you have not learned separate between emotion and action yet is... interesting. You also teach a two year old that it's not ok to throw a tantrum when they don't get something their way. Maybe if you didn't treat your allies like 2 year old's they wouldn't be shooting at you. Just sayin.
Still making a fatal error in your argumentation.
Just sayin.
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Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
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Posted - 2013.05.27 00:09:00 -
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Katarina Musana wrote:They've frequently shown blatant disregard for our culture and philosophies
The irony in this line alone is the major objection I've had with the Republic throughout this incident, before they were breaking CONCORD law.
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Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
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Posted - 2013.05.27 02:31:00 -
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Katarina Musana wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:Katarina Musana wrote:They've frequently shown blatant disregard for our culture and philosophies The irony in this line alone is the major objection I've had with the Republic throughout this incident, before they were breaking CONCORD law. So, tell me, why should we respect Federation "culture" (if you can even call it that) and philosophy when the Federation has refused to respect ours all along?
Why should they respect yours when you don't even acknowledge theirs?
It's blind pettiness and ignorance from both sides.
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Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
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Posted - 2013.05.27 11:38:00 -
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Katarina Musana wrote:
We have never refused to acknowledge Federation culture.
Katarina Musana wrote:
Federation "culture" (if you can even call it that)
Uhuh. Helps to remember what you wrote the day before.
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Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
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Posted - 2013.05.27 14:18:00 -
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You make a lot of accusations with little fact to support them you know.
Still want reference that the Federal Navy was using the Matari as a meatshield to cover their own tails, because I've not found reference to anything like that in previous joint operations.
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Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
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Posted - 2013.05.27 20:28:00 -
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Cipher7 wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:You make a lot of accusations with little fact to support them you know.
Still want reference that the Federal Navy was using the Matari as a meatshield to cover their own tails, because I've not found reference to anything like that in previous joint operations. We not in court mon. Jus tellin how it is, one human to another.
I don't deal in your fantasy make believe conspiracy bullshit.
Give me facts, or don't waste my time with your inane prattle.
Enjoy your gaming.
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